The face of American Punk is?

[clash77]

Off you go!

[john stabb]

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[77clash]

Unfortunately, it is probably Henry Rollins.

[Welly]

Unfortunately, it is probably Henry Rollins.

...and Legs McNeil banging on and on and on about how English punk was fake.

[john stabb]

Henry's not the worst that we could have to represent, is he Legs only knows NYC Punk and Porn. He doesn't get UK Punk.

I'd also add the following in American Punk list:

The Bomb
Avengers
CH3
Nightbirds
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[Welly]

Legs only knows NYC Punk and Porn. He doesn't get UK Punk.

He champions this whole scene that left the world with a lot of over-rated crap for generations of music journalists to fawn over, and then slags off the bands who took punk to the next level.

Talk about missing the point.

[JGJR]

Legs only knows NYC Punk and Porn. He doesn't get UK Punk.

He champions this whole scene that left the world with a lot of over-rated crap for generations of music journalists to fawn over, and then slags off the bands who took punk to the next level.

Talk about missing the point.

I'm not defending his take on UK punk here (it's silly), but what is the overrated crap you speak of?

[Welly]

Legs only knows NYC Punk and Porn. He doesn't get UK Punk.

He champions this whole scene that left the world with a lot of over-rated crap for generations of music journalists to fawn over, and then slags off the bands who took punk to the next level.

Talk about missing the point.

I'm not defending his take on UK punk here (it's silly), but what is the overrated crap you speak of?

Most of the early shit that came out of that New York scene.

[Michele]

Lee Ving, Jack Grisham, Henry Rollins, Keith Morris?

[gregpolard]

Me

[john stabb]

After reading what Flea told D.H. Peligro in the Afropunk book about why he left FEAR, I don't know if I'm really into having someone like Lee Ving represent the face of American Punk. Flea spoke of someone in FEAR making a remark about "having a nigger tattooed on his skin" and decided then he wanted nothing to do with the group. It was in reference to his Hendrix tat. I think Ving's a white trash redneck and that all his homophobic rants back in the 80's in Decline aren't just his being punk and joking around to rile up the crowd. I really never thought that highly of the band to begin with.

[JGJR]

After reading what Flea told D.H. Peligro in the Afropunk book about why he left FEAR, I don't know if I'm really into having someone like Lee Ving represent the face of American Punk. Flea spoke of someone in FEAR making a remark about "having a nigger tattooed on his skin" and decided then he wanted nothing to do with the group. It was in reference to his Hendrix tat. I think Ving's a white trash redneck and that all his homophobic rants back in the 80's in Decline aren't just his being punk and joking around to rile up the crowd. I really never thought that highly of the band to begin with.

Ving's views are unfortunately not uncommon where he grew up (Kensington/Port Richmond here in Philly, at least during that time period) and yeah, I have to say I agree with this assessment. I think FEAR were great early on, but these days I wouldn't play anything other than The Record and the Decline tracks.

[JGJR]

Legs only knows NYC Punk and Porn. He doesn't get UK Punk.

He champions this whole scene that left the world with a lot of over-rated crap for generations of music journalists to fawn over, and then slags off the bands who took punk to the next level.

Talk about missing the point.

I'm not defending his take on UK punk here (it's silly), but what is the overrated crap you speak of?

Most of the early shit that came out of that New York scene.

No offense, mate, but you're just doing the same thing that Legs did but in reverse. Television, Voidoids, Dolls, Ramones, Blondie, Heartbreakers, Dictators, Patti Smith, etc. are all great.

[Welly]

No offense, mate, but you're just doing the same thing that Legs did but in reverse.

No I'm not.

Go and ask any surviving members of those bands if they considered their bands 'punk rock' or not and get back to me.

[clash77]

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[JGJR]

No offense, mate, but you're just doing the same thing that Legs did but in reverse.

No I'm not.

Go and ask any surviving members of those bands if they considered their bands 'punk rock' or not and get back to me.

My issue is not with whether those artists were "punk" or not. We could have that debate all day and not solve anything and it doesn't matter. I like them and you obviously don't, which is OK, but I just don't agree with your "overrated shite" label. I know Dick Hell would say that he and the other CBs folks invented everything, UK punks ripped him off, etc. The others? Dunno but I am inclined to agree with you for the most part there.

[xxxMidgexxx]

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[dave123]

Me

Greg's got the right answer. Or at least this should be the right answer.

[James]

After reading what Flea told D.H. Peligro in the Afropunk book about why he left FEAR, I don't know if I'm really into having someone like Lee Ving represent the face of American Punk. Flea spoke of someone in FEAR making a remark about "having a nigger tattooed on his skin" and decided then he wanted nothing to do with the group. It was in reference to his Hendrix tat. I think Ving's a white trash redneck and that all his homophobic rants back in the 80's in Decline aren't just his being punk and joking around to rile up the crowd. I really never thought that highly of the band to begin with.

Ving's views are unfortunately not uncommon where he grew up (Kensington/Port Richmond here in Philly, at least during that time period) and yeah, I have to say I agree with this assessment. I think FEAR were great early on, but these days I wouldn't play anything other than The Record and the Decline tracks.

When my friend's old band was doing a west coast tour in the 90's, their LA gig was cancelled because there was a near riot the night before at the venue when Fear played. Apparently Lee Ving asked the audience, "Where are all the niggers?" or something like that.

[FlexMyHead]

[Michele]

After reading what Flea told D.H. Peligro in the Afropunk book about why he left FEAR, I don't know if I'm really into having someone like Lee Ving represent the face of American Punk. Flea spoke of someone in FEAR making a remark about "having a nigger tattooed on his skin" and decided then he wanted nothing to do with the group. It was in reference to his Hendrix tat. I think Ving's a white trash redneck and that all his homophobic rants back in the 80's in Decline aren't just his being punk and joking around to rile up the crowd. I really never thought that highly of the band to begin with.

Never heard about this story, I just heard stories about his provocations and offenses, but Always thought they were just in sake of provoking the audience... probably I was wrong