version sound wrote:Anyone bite on this one or planning to? Since I already had nearly everything on the Metal Box super deluxe, I never got that one. This one has the stuff I wanted from that one and more...
Welly wrote:Lydon has lost the plot.
lewdd wrote:I just did my quick listen through the discography of PiL and determined that I can tolerate 35 songs. Not sure I could sit through listening to them for the 2.5+ hours that the 35 songs encompass though. I was quite surprised that there were that many songs on the list. I was expecting 10-15. That would probably be the number that I could put on a playlist and listen to straight through. That Was Is Not LP seemed to have the most tracks on the list than any other album.
patient_ot wrote:lewdd wrote:I just did my quick listen through the discography of PiL and determined that I can tolerate 35 songs. Not sure I could sit through listening to them for the 2.5+ hours that the 35 songs encompass though. I was quite surprised that there were that many songs on the list. I was expecting 10-15. That would probably be the number that I could put on a playlist and listen to straight through. That Was Is Not LP seemed to have the most tracks on the list than any other album.
Is that just skipping through songs while hearing 20 seconds of each one?
lewdd wrote:patient_ot wrote:lewdd wrote:I just did my quick listen through the discography of PiL and determined that I can tolerate 35 songs. Not sure I could sit through listening to them for the 2.5+ hours that the 35 songs encompass though. I was quite surprised that there were that many songs on the list. I was expecting 10-15. That would probably be the number that I could put on a playlist and listen to straight through. That Was Is Not LP seemed to have the most tracks on the list than any other album.
Is that just skipping through songs while hearing 20 seconds of each one?
Yes, that is my approach. If I don't like the beat or rhythm, I move onto the next song. If I don't like the beginning, I usually skip thru the song a bit to see if something changes.
patient_ot wrote:Version, which early pressing of the first album has that heavy bass? You got matrix numbers or a lacquer cutter sig for that?
version sound wrote:patient_ot wrote:Version, which early pressing of the first album has that heavy bass? You got matrix numbers or a lacquer cutter sig for that?
I’ll have to bust them out to see which is which and note matrix info. I think I have 3 copies of the UK pressing (plus the Japanese and Australian pressings), IIRC, 2 out of 3 had it.
version sound wrote:TLDR Version: Early PiL rewards those who persevere. You are cheating yourself by just listening to snippets, especially as a Pistols fan. Early PiL was Lydon’s creative peak, IMO.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:patient_ot wrote:Version, which early pressing of the first album has that heavy bass? You got matrix numbers or a lacquer cutter sig for that?
I’ll have to bust them out to see which is which and note matrix info. I think I have 3 copies of the UK pressing (plus the Japanese and Australian pressings), IIRC, 2 out of 3 had it.
Thanks, appreciate it.
JGJR wrote:My experience was a bit different, though. I started out on 9 and That What is Not, which were popular when I was in high school. I liked those fine at the time, but don't know what I'd think of them now. I didn't get any of the early records until some point in the mid '90s when I got Second Edition. I didn't really know what to make of it at first, but it really grew on me over time. I think it's still my favorite PiL record. Some years later thanks to you (VS), I got an early press of the 1st Lp and bought the Light in the Attic (I think) repress at the same time. I should A/B them at some point, but anyway I like that album a lot, too. I still can't remember if it's actually called Public Image or First Issue or what, though I remember a discussion about that on this board years ago.
version sound wrote:
Interesting, they are all different pressings. I mostly compared the beginning of “Theme” before, this time, I checked the B side too and found that all three have pretty heavy bass on the B side
Heavy bass:
V-2114+A 4 [4 actually looks more like an L] 3-PiL + THIS SIDE +
V-2114-B4 [4 is scratched out] 3 4—PiL +
V-2114 6 6-PiL +
V-2114 B4
Less bass on A Side (though still not lacking):
V-2114 A2E
V-2114+B4 3PiL- + THAT SIDE+
The Japanese pressing sounds great, probably because it has ZERO surface noise, but it has less bass. Tom Lyle argued that it was “more balanced,” which is probably true, but Wobble is the thing I love most about PiL, so the more the better for me. I also pulled out my Japanese Second Edition, and that sounds fantastic too. 97% as good as the original Metal Box.
version sound wrote:JGJR wrote:My experience was a bit different, though. I started out on 9 and That What is Not, which were popular when I was in high school. I liked those fine at the time, but don't know what I'd think of them now. I didn't get any of the early records until some point in the mid '90s when I got Second Edition. I didn't really know what to make of it at first, but it really grew on me over time. I think it's still my favorite PiL record. Some years later thanks to you (VS), I got an early press of the 1st Lp and bought the Light in the Attic (I think) repress at the same time. I should A/B them at some point, but anyway I like that album a lot, too. I still can't remember if it's actually called Public Image or First Issue or what, though I remember a discussion about that on this board years ago.
The album is actually called Public Image. That’s what it says on the spine and in the ads when it came out. The cover was a parody of a magazine, hence the “First Issue”. The red/green label ‘80s pressing does not have the bass of the OG press. That was the one I bought used in the ‘90s. When I got a first press in the ‘00s, I was floored by the bass. It was a very different experience from the versions I had up until then (mostly on CD). The LITA version looks nice, and all the bonus swag is great, but it’s basically the 2011 remaster on vinyl. I kept the swag and sold the record.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:I wonder if that Japanese Second Edition is less expensive than the OG Metal Box? I'll have to check. I don't have any vinyl versions of these albums at the moment, just CDs. I'd like to have vinyl, but there are limits to what I'll pay and I have to wait for them to show up through the sellers/stores I deal with.
The only PIL vinyl I own at present is the Paris live album.
version sound wrote:
The Japanese SE seems to be gettable for around $30 without the poster and maybe without the OBI. The big barrier is shipping cost, since most are obviously in Japan. One good thing about buying from Japan is that they tend to be pretty conscientious and accurate graders. More so than in the UK, at least (IME). The first album used to be really cheap. I bought all three of mine for under $20, and two of them are flat-out mint. They look brand new. I think the prices have gone up a bit, but if you’re patient, it can be had for relatively cheap.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:
The Japanese SE seems to be gettable for around $30 without the poster and maybe without the OBI. The big barrier is shipping cost, since most are obviously in Japan. One good thing about buying from Japan is that they tend to be pretty conscientious and accurate graders. More so than in the UK, at least (IME). The first album used to be really cheap. I bought all three of mine for under $20, and two of them are flat-out mint. They look brand new. I think the prices have gone up a bit, but if you’re patient, it can be had for relatively cheap.
Yeah I'm in no rush. I'll wait it out.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:You guys are talking about the 1980 Japanese vinyl pressing, correct, not the much later 2011 CD?
https://www.discogs.com/Public-Image-Lt ... se/2528489
Either way, I assume so given the reviews. I have a U.S. Second Edition 2xLp and while I haven't tried it out on the Technics yet, I noticed a huge improvement in the bass even listening to lossy mp3s of the UK Metal Box (not sure the source) years ago.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:You guys are talking about the 1980 Japanese vinyl pressing, correct, not the much later 2011 CD?
https://www.discogs.com/Public-Image-Lt ... se/2528489
Either way, I assume so given the reviews. I have a U.S. Second Edition 2xLp and while I haven't tried it out on the Technics yet, I noticed a huge improvement in the bass even listening to lossy mp3s of the UK Metal Box (not sure the source) years ago.
Yeah, I already have the 2011 CD. I don't have any version on vinyl and Version was recommending a Japan pressing of SE as cheaper alternative to the O.G. 3x12'' Metal Box.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Thanks for clarifying. I've seen the O.G. 3x12" in stores, but usually for much more than I'm willing to pay, so I appreciate this! The thread (or at least that part of it) was a bit hard to follow because of the different variations/formats, etc.
version sound wrote:I know there has been a lot of debate about the value of SACD as a format, but the Japanese really seem to do it right. IIRC, they are generally flat transfers from master tapes without a PCM step, straight DSD. The Second Edition and Sticky Fingers Japanese SHM SACDs I have sound amazing. The MFSL SACD of Forever Changes also sounds pretty great. Maybe it’s more about the source and mastering (or apparent lack of on the Japanese SACDs) than the format itself, I don’t really care. These are all records I’ve known well for decades and have had multiple versions of, and the SACDs really do sound great. I believe there are Japanese SHM CDs that use the same source as the SACDs. It would be interesting to compare the two to see if the SACD really offers superior resolution or if the great sound is really down to the source and mastering.
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