scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:They were better when xxxHunterxxx was in the band.
MXV wrote:I really like the first two albums. I think I have a couple other random ones but I never listen to them. I find it extremely humorous that they have zero original members and aren't even in their country of origin anymore. It was a strange evolution for sure. The only other band I can think of that evolved like that was Christian Death. I can't pass judgement on their modern stuff because I haven't heard it but I admire their longevity so they must be doing something right.
yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:They were better when xxxHunterxxx was in the band.
tired, hack jokes from the old board will result in serious detriment to said poster's health.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:They were better when xxxHunterxxx was in the band.
tired, hack jokes from the old board will result in serious detriment to said poster's health.
Says the guy who consistently makes fun of my awesome taste....
yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:They were better when xxxHunterxxx was in the band.
tired, hack jokes from the old board will result in serious detriment to said poster's health.
Says the guy who consistently makes fun of my awesome taste....
awesome in this sense would have to be a very nebulous gray area. i would say you and i might agree on like 20 percent of what good music is. on hardcore, we match up and maybe some post hc related shit like quicksand or whatever, or the random band like screeching weasel and stuff like nirvana. other than that, there is no common ground.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
yourenotevil wrote:MXV wrote:I really like the first two albums. I think I have a couple other random ones but I never listen to them. I find it extremely humorous that they have zero original members and aren't even in their country of origin anymore. It was a strange evolution for sure. The only other band I can think of that evolved like that was Christian Death. I can't pass judgement on their modern stuff because I haven't heard it but I admire their longevity so they must be doing something right.
shane has been in the band since 87, and the line up has been steady since 91, so i don't get all of the knocks on that kind of thing. i mean, scum was two different line ups and the guys who started the band or were in the early line up wanted to do their own thing-(justin to godflesh, jeff to carcass, and lee dorrian just seemed to get bored of fast music, hence his starting cathedral and his unwillingness to play live anymore). i mean, it is not as humorous as something like the vandals to me. they still also live in england as far as i know. i think you have to look at the demos/scum as a different band than the enslavement era and beyond.
yourenotevil wrote:MXV wrote:I really like the first two albums. I think I have a couple other random ones but I never listen to them. I find it extremely humorous that they have zero original members and aren't even in their country of origin anymore. It was a strange evolution for sure. The only other band I can think of that evolved like that was Christian Death. I can't pass judgement on their modern stuff because I haven't heard it but I admire their longevity so they must be doing something right.
shane has been in the band since 87, and the line up has been steady since 91, so i don't get all of the knocks on that kind of thing. i mean, scum was two different line ups and the guys who started the band or were in the early line up wanted to do their own thing-(justin to godflesh, jeff to carcass, and lee dorrian just seemed to get bored of fast music, hence his starting cathedral and his unwillingness to play live anymore). i mean, it is not as humorous as something like the vandals to me. they still also live in england as far as i know. i think you have to look at the demos/scum as a different band than the enslavement era and beyond.
tad ghostal wrote:yourenotevil wrote:MXV wrote:I really like the first two albums. I think I have a couple other random ones but I never listen to them. I find it extremely humorous that they have zero original members and aren't even in their country of origin anymore. It was a strange evolution for sure. The only other band I can think of that evolved like that was Christian Death. I can't pass judgement on their modern stuff because I haven't heard it but I admire their longevity so they must be doing something right.
shane has been in the band since 87, and the line up has been steady since 91, so i don't get all of the knocks on that kind of thing. i mean, scum was two different line ups and the guys who started the band or were in the early line up wanted to do their own thing-(justin to godflesh, jeff to carcass, and lee dorrian just seemed to get bored of fast music, hence his starting cathedral and his unwillingness to play live anymore). i mean, it is not as humorous as something like the vandals to me. they still also live in england as far as i know. i think you have to look at the demos/scum as a different band than the enslavement era and beyond.
Yeah, this is true. The founding members of ND (of which there haven't been any since the B-side of "Scum") just gave that band away to other people. It's not a Christian Death-like situation where some less than ethical shit went on. I have heard, though, that Nic Bullen was pissed about "From Enslavement To Obiliteration" only because that was also the title of a demo from when he led the band and no one ever asked him if they could use that title for an album.
I think the current Napalm Death is based all over the world. I think Barney still lives in the UK but I think the rest of the guys like in the US. I'm not entirely sure, though.
I have some of the band's recent albums and I think they're really great.
MXV wrote:There is nothing at all humorous about The Vandals.
captain2man wrote:I love Napalm. A relentless band both musically and by work-load. 15 full-lengths since 1987, which by my math means they're averaging better than an album every other year for 26 years....off the top of my head, I can't think of too many other bands with that kind of output consistency.....and there are no real duds in the catalog either, making it all the more impressive.
Not to mention they've put out tons of EPs and splits and whatnot and seemingly tour almost non-stop. And - on top of that - a few of the guys are even involved with long-standing side projects. It's like a bunch of guys who have genuinely devoted their entire lives to their art. Although I know Barney has said that once Napalm is done, he will move on with his life and he won't ever do another band. Although in that same interview, it was implied that there was no actual end in sight for the band.
Personally, I love the early grindcore stuff, i.e., the Lee Dorrian era, although Harmony Corruption has a special place in my heart since it was the first album I actually heard and digested. The Peel Sessions might very well be one of the most brutal releases ever.
And to touch upon the line-up changes.....truth is, there were no original members left by the time they were done with the very first record. The only original member on the first side was bassist/vocalist Nik Bullen (keep in mind that Side One and Side Two of Scum have entirely different line-ups except for drummer Mick Harris who, himself, wasn't an original member)....the second side has no original members.
Yet - with that said - they are actually a band with an extremely consistent line-up.....the band has had the same line-up in place since 1992 (Utopia Banished)....save for the death of Jesse Pintado in 2006 - and he wasn't replaced in the band.
yourenotevil wrote:glad to hear them getting some love on here. the only thing i will disagree with you on is their mid to late 90s period. i think diatribes and most of the that era was pretty forgettable, save for a few songs. and yeah, i don't see napalm breaking up until a key member dies or walks away for good.
captain2man wrote:yourenotevil wrote:glad to hear them getting some love on here. the only thing i will disagree with you on is their mid to late 90s period. i think diatribes and most of the that era was pretty forgettable, save for a few songs. and yeah, i don't see napalm breaking up until a key member dies or walks away for good.
I actually do agree with that.....you know, I think the '90s were sort of a weird time for metal anyway.....and I think there was definitely a dip with the Greed Killing EP/Diatribes LP era.....but it was a brief skid, because the quality came back completely after that period. Still - in light of a lot of what was going on with extreme metal in 1995-96, it was better than most.
Bill wrote:Napalm's most recent album, Utilitarian from 2012, is without a doubt the best of the Barney era. It's pretty insane that a band would put out their best record 30 years (20+ with the same core lineup, for the MXV style stiklers) in.
yourenotevil wrote: i remember reading about how SOIA and napalm death did a tour, that would be awesome to see today.
The Snake wrote:Love first two albums, Mentally Murdered EP, Peel Sessions, Death By Manipulation compilation LP and for some strange reason - Fear, Emptiness, Despair LP. Harmony Corruption and Utopia Banished are kinda OK, but also nothing special comparing to older material. Never got into stuff after Fear...
I saw Napalm live here in Zagreb in 1995. At The Gates were on tour with them, when nobody knew who they were at the time (that reminds me on when I saw Slayer in 1998. and System Of a Down were on tour with them and nobody knew who they were at the time, ha ha). Napalm were OK on that show but I wasn´t blown away. I guess I expected more old songs, silly me. After that, they played bunch of time here, but I never bothered to check them out.
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