lewdd wrote:Yeah, it amazes me how someone can be anti vaccine and use some other remedies they are using.
The part we don't hear though is that some of these other remedies have worked in other countries, are being tested by our government agencies that have approved emergency use of the vaccines, etc.
Too often we are only getting one side of the story by whomever is paying more to get to the top of the search lists on topics.
Good or bad, I am only following government approved options until I am making a life or death decision and will probably try everything in the kitchen sink at that point.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Joe Rogan is an idiot
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captain2man wrote:gregpolard wrote:Joe Rogan is an idiot
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Joe Rogan is also the most popular podcaster on the planet & wields a tremendous amount of influence.
Many of his listeners will listen to that Instagram clip and say, "See - he feels better - Ivermectin works!"
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Joe Rogan is an idiot
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xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:It is a fucking de-wormer for livestock. It is not an anti-viral medication. It's not going to do anything for C-19. If you take this shit thinking it will, you are a fucking moron and need to go back to middle school science class.
If this offends anyone go fuck yourself.
patient_ot wrote:It is a fucking de-wormer for livestock. It is not an anti-viral medication. It's not going to do anything for C-19. If you take this shit thinking it will, you are a fucking moron and need to go back to middle school science class.
If this offends anyone go fuck yourself.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
the mean wrote:Good to see people refusing the Big Pharma vaccines and instead treating themselves with ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which I assume were developed by the DIY hardcore scene.
Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.
jaybird wrote: a long-standing, peer-reviewed medical journal, that suggests that properly prescribed and administered, ivermectin may, MAY be beneficial in treating COVID-19:
jaybird wrote:
I just think that the amount of self-righteous outrage this whole topic is inducing on BOTH sides of the argument is extremely predictable and tiresome. Again, what should be a scientific and medical discussion has been turned into yet another social-media culture-war litmus test. zzzzzz.
jaybird wrote:JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
jaybird wrote:I agree people should not be ordering veterinary-grade ivermectin paste from the farm supply store to self-medicate their COVID symptoms. But as a drug, it has long been used safely, for humans, in many, many countries for more than 30 years as an anti-parasitic medication. It may also have some anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties, which is why people are using it for COVID. Here is a study that was just published in the latest issue of American Journal of Therapeutics, a long-standing, peer-reviewed medical journal, that suggests that properly prescribed and administered, ivermectin may, MAY be beneficial in treating COVID-19:
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspxMeta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... erapeutics
It could certainly be picked apart or contradicted by other studies, but that suggests to me that the argument for using a proven safe and effective drug for humans in treating a new disease is not a completely absurd proposition on its face.
Just to be clear: I am not a doctor; I have had COVID; I am double-vaccinated; I have no interest or plans in taking ivermectin if i am ever diagnosed with COVID again; I do see the funny side of a meat-head like Joe Rogan dosing himself with a medicine that in the U.S., is primarily used for de-worming animals... I just think that the amount of self-righteous outrage this whole topic is inducing on both sides of the argument is extremely predictable and tiresome. Again, what should be a scientific and medical discussion has been turned into yet another social-media culture-war litmus test. zzzzzz.
tl;dr: JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
FormerLurker wrote:It's pretty simple. Conspiracy nuts who think the vaccine contains a Bill Gates microchip refuse to believe that science can vet the vaccine as safe, but as soon as the shit hits the fan they're the first to scramble to any bizarro homeopathic remedy to save their asses. It's backwards and they need to be ridiculed. The fact that they are forced to go to Tractor Supply to buy it tells you all you need.
jaybird wrote:FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
I'm now fully expecting your reviews of various vintages of horse paste.
FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:JAYBIRD EATS HORSE PASTE LOL
I'm now fully expecting your reviews of various vintages of horse paste.
FormerLurker wrote:
But, this guy I know on an anonymous internet forum said it might work! So, you know, there's that!
SamDBL wrote:FormerLurker wrote:
But, this guy I know on an anonymous internet forum said it might work! So, you know, there's that!
Are you talking about Jason Bowes?
SamDBL wrote:The hysterical inclination to scoff at this stuff and fly off the fuckin handle is perplexing. I say that as a vax advocate.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:How many dumb fucks on Fox News advocated this drug as "Promising"?
Answer: Many. Many dumb fucks.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:The hysterical inclination to scoff at this stuff and fly off the fuckin handle is perplexing. I say that as a vax advocate.
No, what's *perplexing* is the false equivalence you and others on here seem to take delight in. One viewpoint advocates vaccines, saving lives, taking public health threats seriously, etc, and basically living in reality. The other side advocates malaria drugs they hold stock in and fucking horse de-wormers to treat a respiratory illness. Need I say more? Because I fucking will.
target wrote:I wish this thread hadn’t gone into ad hominem territory.
I’d venture to say two things- 1. Black people may be more vaccine resistant than the broader population because of the disgraceful history of medical experimentation on Black people and
target wrote: 2. Gay people were in fact demonized for the spread of AIDS and still get attacked to this day.
target wrote:I’m also not blaming you for going ad hominem. I don’t know what you and JHJRs history is on this board. Have you ever met in person? You can say your argument stinks, but saying “you’re the type of person…” sinks the discourse
target wrote:You’re projecting!
jaybird wrote:People on MY side are logical, intelligent and have only the purest and most noble of motives. The people on the OTHER side are irrational, cognitively-impaired cretins who only ever act out of base self-interest and/or bigoted resentment and fear.
What side am I on?
SamDBL wrote:JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:The hysterical inclination to scoff at this stuff and fly off the fuckin handle is perplexing. I say that as a vax advocate.
No, what's *perplexing* is the false equivalence you and others on here seem to take delight in. One viewpoint advocates vaccines, saving lives, taking public health threats seriously, etc, and basically living in reality. The other side advocates malaria drugs they hold stock in and fucking horse de-wormers to treat a respiratory illness. Need I say more? Because I fucking will.
Oh fuck off. Seriously. The constant holier-than-thou routine from you is beyond nauseating. You’re the type of person that thinks if you give a bum 5 bucks and the person next to you doesn’t, that you are legitimately a better human being than him. That’s how simplistic of a world view this is. Putting aside the fact that percentage/population wise, black people are the most vaccine resistant… let’s just assume that every person that makes the calculation to not get it is somehow a moronic trumper just trying to be a world class contrarian or some shit (which I don’t believe or assume). *You* have broadly contributed to this problem. I’ve seen you do it in real time n this board. You expect people that you view, and publically charge as evil, dipshit nazis to suddenly act communally with you instead of just doing for themselves (isn’t that the argument… you have to get the jab for your fellow man).
Imo, people not getting vax’d is somewhat morally analogous to people not wearing rubbers when fucking. We know that’s how std’s are spread. We know some std’s are 100% fatal. Yet many of us make the calculation and roll the dice. A lot of people will die from aids as a result. Yet somehow, we don’t think of people that catch or unknowingly spread aids due to carlessness as abhorrent Neanderthals. We don’t argue that that hospitals shouldn’t treat them because it’s their fault. We don’t begrudge them trying scientifically unproven, new age remedies. Yes, I realize that aids is less transmissible than COVID. That’s beside the point. If we morally condemn people for getting/spreading COVID because they chose not to wear a mask or get a jab, then we should be doing the same for people getting/spreading hiv by not choosing to wear a rubber. Yet no one is comfortable doing that. Because COVID has arisen in the most moronic socio political time in the history of the country. And that’s how we do things, now. Again to the broader point, we have people such as yourself to thank for that. So thanks!
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:target wrote:I wish this thread hadn’t gone into ad hominem territory.
I’d venture to say two things- 1. Black people may be more vaccine resistant than the broader population because of the disgraceful history of medical experimentation on Black people and
*Total* cop out weak sauce argument that keeps getting trotted out. A) the government has lied and secretly experimented (and later admitted to it) to everyone in this country. Not just black people. But you are forced to make some leap in logic in service of making an exception because you’re default is to demonize anyone willfully not vaccinated. If you didn’t have such an over simplified worldview in which people unvaccinated=categorically bad, you wouldn’t have to resort to such flimsy claims. Also, you’re just coming up with an opinion and motivation for black people and assigning it to them. With zero evidence. I thought there was some kind of rule against that. B. That wasn’t my point. My point was that everyone seems happy to relegate non vax’d to the dumb redneck/trumper bin. That’s obviously not true just on the face of it based on the sheer numbers. Unless you think large swathes of the black population are dumb rednecks/trumpers.target wrote: 2. Gay people were in fact demonized for the spread of AIDS and still get attacked to this day.
Yes. By repugnant people. Whom we all agree are repugnant. Because it’s a repugnant practice. Do I need to further spell out my point?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:This is another fine example of you are either with us or you are against us argument from both the left and the right and neither of them believe you can be in the middle.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:target wrote:I wish this thread hadn’t gone into ad hominem territory.
I’d venture to say two things- 1. Black people may be more vaccine resistant than the broader population because of the disgraceful history of medical experimentation on Black people and
*Total* cop out weak sauce argument that keeps getting trotted out. A) the government has lied and secretly experimented (and later admitted to it) to everyone in this country. Not just black people. But you are forced to make some leap in logic in service of making an exception because you’re default is to demonize anyone willfully not vaccinated. If you didn’t have such an over simplified worldview in which people unvaccinated=categorically bad, you wouldn’t have to resort to such flimsy claims. Also, you’re just coming up with an opinion and motivation for black people and assigning it to them. With zero evidence. I thought there was some kind of rule against that. B. That wasn’t my point. My point was that everyone seems happy to relegate non vax’d to the dumb redneck/trumper bin. That’s obviously not true just on the face of it based on the sheer numbers. Unless you think large swathes of the black population are dumb rednecks/trumpers.target wrote: 2. Gay people were in fact demonized for the spread of AIDS and still get attacked to this day.
Yes. By repugnant people. Whom we all agree are repugnant. Because it’s a repugnant practice. Do I need to further spell out my point?
Please read a fucking book, preferably on the Tuskegee experiments, and then kindly leave the rest of us alone.
Also, revisionist history is fascinating. You pretend that homophobia wasn't mainstream 30-35 years ago, but I remember things differently.
I come here to bullshit about music, culture, et al. not to engage in these stupid debates.
JGJR wrote:lewdd wrote:This is another fine example of you are either with us or you are against us argument from both the left and the right and neither of them believe you can be in the middle.
No. Just no. The hard left and the hard right will never be the same and my point was that I'm tired of this false equivalence perpeuated by too many. We just want folks to have healthcare, end poverty and war, etc. or at least move the needle closer to that and the right denies that people are dying during a global pandemic and wants to make them take horse dewormers. You get that, right?
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