xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
dave123 wrote:I am a big fan of the early Vice Squad stuff as well, but I haven't heard any of the non-BB stuff. I will attempt to change that situation. Where do you start with the Dum Dum Girls? I never even bothered looking into that band because of the name. I thought it was some cliche indy rock or something equally as hard to take. Tell me where to start, and I will give them a listen.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
True, but far from ground-breaking for UK punk (or post-punk) in general. See also: Penetration, The Slits, The Raincoats, Au Pairs, the early Banshees, et al. If I'm being honest and especially if Shot Away is taken out of the equation, like all of those bands more than Vice Squad.
lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
True, but far from ground-breaking for UK punk (or post-punk) in general. See also: Penetration, The Slits, The Raincoats, Au Pairs, the early Banshees, et al. If I'm being honest and especially if Shot Away is taken out of the equation, like all of those bands more than Vice Squad.
You don't like punk rock.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:I am a big fan of the early Vice Squad stuff as well, but I haven't heard any of the non-BB stuff. I will attempt to change that situation. Where do you start with the Dum Dum Girls? I never even bothered looking into that band because of the name. I thought it was some cliche indy rock or something equally as hard to take. Tell me where to start, and I will give them a listen.
It depends on what your tastes are. If you want to start off with the more produced, new wave/goth type stuff, check out the most recent album Too True or the 2012 EP End of Daze. 2011's Only in Dreams is her only record with her live band backing her (she's essentially a one-woman band, though Sune from The Raveonettes has played on almost all of her records since 2011's "He Gets Me High" EP, which is a good test to see if they are for you and it may be my favorite release of hers; great Smiths cover on it) and has a Pretenders-esque feel to it. The earlier stuff (the best of which is I Will Be, her debut album) is really catchy, stripped-down garage rock with surf style guitar in spots, but you have to have a tolerance for production values that makes early 7 Seconds sound like David Gilmour-led Pink Floyd. There's nothing "cliche" about it. It's just really good songs with a great singer, but one who changes styles (slightly) with each release.
JGJR wrote:lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
True, but far from ground-breaking for UK punk (or post-punk) in general. See also: Penetration, The Slits, The Raincoats, Au Pairs, the early Banshees, et al. If I'm being honest and especially if Shot Away is taken out of the equation, like all of those bands more than Vice Squad.
You don't like punk rock.
It's not that, but as far as the UK stuff goes I just generally prefer the original '76-'81 stuff to the UK82 or later stuff with some notable exceptions.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
True, but far from ground-breaking for UK punk (or post-punk) in general. See also: Penetration, The Slits, The Raincoats, Au Pairs, the early Banshees, et al. If I'm being honest and especially if Shot Away is taken out of the equation, like all of those bands more than Vice Squad.
You don't like punk rock.
It's not that, but as far as the UK stuff goes I just generally prefer the original '76-'81 stuff to the UK82 or later stuff with some notable exceptions.
Nah, you just wanted to one-up his post.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:77clash wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
You are in the minority. Stand Strong Stand Proud was ground breaking to have a female singer fronting a UK82 band.
True, but far from ground-breaking for UK punk (or post-punk) in general. See also: Penetration, The Slits, The Raincoats, Au Pairs, the early Banshees, et al. If I'm being honest and especially if Shot Away is taken out of the equation, like all of those bands more than Vice Squad.
You don't like punk rock.
It's not that, but as far as the UK stuff goes I just generally prefer the original '76-'81 stuff to the UK82 or later stuff with some notable exceptions.
Nah, you just wanted to one-up his post.
Guilty as charged, your honor, though I do generally and genuinely prefer the '76-'81 stuff.
dave123 wrote:JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:I am a big fan of the early Vice Squad stuff as well, but I haven't heard any of the non-BB stuff. I will attempt to change that situation. Where do you start with the Dum Dum Girls? I never even bothered looking into that band because of the name. I thought it was some cliche indy rock or something equally as hard to take. Tell me where to start, and I will give them a listen.
It depends on what your tastes are. If you want to start off with the more produced, new wave/goth type stuff, check out the most recent album Too True or the 2012 EP End of Daze. 2011's Only in Dreams is her only record with her live band backing her (she's essentially a one-woman band, though Sune from The Raveonettes has played on almost all of her records since 2011's "He Gets Me High" EP, which is a good test to see if they are for you and it may be my favorite release of hers; great Smiths cover on it) and has a Pretenders-esque feel to it. The earlier stuff (the best of which is I Will Be, her debut album) is really catchy, stripped-down garage rock with surf style guitar in spots, but you have to have a tolerance for production values that makes early 7 Seconds sound like David Gilmour-led Pink Floyd. There's nothing "cliche" about it. It's just really good songs with a great singer, but one who changes styles (slightly) with each release.
Thanks for the info. I will start with "He Gets Me High" and let you know. I am always stoked to find out something that I had written off for no good reason is actually good.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Welly wrote:Definitely. And Vice Squad were fucking atrocious.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:Definitely. And Vice Squad were fucking atrocious.
I'm a bit surprised you don't dig 'em, but they seem to have their detractors for sure both here and in the UK. Have you ever heard Shot Away, though? Otherwise, we reach.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:Definitely. And Vice Squad were fucking atrocious.
I'm a bit surprised you don't dig 'em, but they seem to have their detractors for sure both here and in the UK. Have you ever heard Shot Away, though? Otherwise, we reach.
Not heard that, and I have no reason to ever, thanks.
Vice Squad - the epitome of dull UK 80's damp grey council estate plodding punk boredom.
Believe me, UK 80's damp grey council estates weren't very exciting.
But that's probably why the Kennedys, Flag, Threat and Jerks seemed a lot more so.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Gotcha. I'm a Yank, so while I believe you and see no reason to disagree, even '80s damp grey council estate music from the UK had appeal to me as a kid.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Gotcha. I'm a Yank, so while I believe you and see no reason to disagree, even '80s damp grey council estate music from the UK had appeal to me as a kid.
I like plenty of UK stuff of that era, but that kind of dull plod did nothing for me. There was a glut of that shit.
lewdd wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Gotcha. I'm a Yank, so while I believe you and see no reason to disagree, even '80s damp grey council estate music from the UK had appeal to me as a kid.
I like plenty of UK stuff of that era, but that kind of dull plod did nothing for me. There was a glut of that shit.
Surely, you would listen to the Vice Squad before the Dum Dum Girls though.
JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:I am a big fan of the early Vice Squad stuff as well, but I haven't heard any of the non-BB stuff. I will attempt to change that situation. Where do you start with the Dum Dum Girls? I never even bothered looking into that band because of the name. I thought it was some cliche indy rock or something equally as hard to take. Tell me where to start, and I will give them a listen.
It depends on what your tastes are. If you want to start off with the more produced, new wave/goth type stuff, check out the most recent album Too True or the 2012 EP End of Daze. 2011's Only in Dreams is her only record with her live band backing her (she's essentially a one-woman band, though Sune from The Raveonettes has played on almost all of her records since 2011's "He Gets Me High" EP, which is a good test to see if they are for you and it may be my favorite release of hers; great Smiths cover on it) and has a Pretenders-esque feel to it. The earlier stuff (the best of which is I Will Be, her debut album) is really catchy, stripped-down garage rock with surf style guitar in spots, but you have to have a tolerance for production values that makes early 7 Seconds sound like David Gilmour-led Pink Floyd. There's nothing "cliche" about it. It's just really good songs with a great singer, but one who changes styles (slightly) with each release.
Thanks for the info. I will start with "He Gets Me High" and let you know. I am always stoked to find out something that I had written off for no good reason is actually good.
Finally had a moment to check out the Dum Dum Girls. I really like both versions/eras. I was worried when you mentioned the Pretenders (I am not a fan), but I get the comparison and liked that stuff anyway. The jangly poppier stuff is kind of like a cross between early Bangles and Siouxie and the Banshees. I would recommend it to anyone into the Go-gos or the Bangles (which I am on both accounts). The gothy/new wave stuff is a whole different kettle of fish. Equally as good but a very different vibe. Dark while still maintaining much of the melody. You are right, nothing cliche. I like how they don't smile when playing. Thanks for recommending.
Very curious what you'll think. They are a very special band to me because I've gotten to interview Dee Dee twice (including once for the cover story of the most recent issue of The Big Takeover). And I'm really curious what you'll think of that Vice Squad record, too. If you search for both of them, you'll find 'em on the YouTube (though just individual tracks for the VS).
JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
clash77 wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
Silly comparison maybe?..The hype surrounding the DDG is laughable to me..But as usuall, thats my opinion..
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dave123 wrote:Finally had a moment to check out the Dum Dum Girls. I really like both versions/eras. I was worried when you mentioned the Pretenders (I am not a fan), but I get the comparison and liked that stuff anyway. The jangly poppier stuff is kind of like a cross between early Bangles and Siouxie and the Banshees. I would recommend it to anyone into the Go-gos or the Bangles (which I am on both accounts). The gothy/new wave stuff is a whole different kettle of fish. Equally as good but a very different vibe. Dark while still maintaining much of the melody. You are right, nothing cliche. I like how they don't smile when playing. Thanks for recommending.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
gregpolard wrote:clash77 wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
Silly comparison maybe?..The hype surrounding the DDG is laughable to me..But as usuall, thats my opinion..
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place but I don't really think DDG are hyped at all. Aside from JGJR frequently professing his love for them on here. PS they're a good band.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:clash77 wrote:JGJR wrote:I couldn't do without my copies of Shot Away or the entire DDG catalog, but carry on. What a silly comparison (though I think Dee Dee would love the goth/new wave vibe of Shot Away, too, if she doesn't already know that record). And yeah, I like the earlier stuff with Beki Bondage, too, but I'm probably in the small minority who thinks Shot Away is their best record by some distance.
Silly comparison maybe?..The hype surrounding the DDG is laughable to me..But as usuall, thats my opinion..
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place but I don't really think DDG are hyped at all. Aside from JGJR frequently professing his love for them on here. PS they're a good band.
Yep. Plus, have you actually ever heard a DDG song, clash77, or are you just dismissing them out of hand?
JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:Finally had a moment to check out the Dum Dum Girls. I really like both versions/eras. I was worried when you mentioned the Pretenders (I am not a fan), but I get the comparison and liked that stuff anyway. The jangly poppier stuff is kind of like a cross between early Bangles and Siouxie and the Banshees. I would recommend it to anyone into the Go-gos or the Bangles (which I am on both accounts). The gothy/new wave stuff is a whole different kettle of fish. Equally as good but a very different vibe. Dark while still maintaining much of the melody. You are right, nothing cliche. I like how they don't smile when playing. Thanks for recommending.
I'm really glad you liked them, but it sounds like you didn't check out the 1st 12" or I Will Be (the debut Lp). Only in Dreams and to a lesser extent "He Gets Me High" are definitely like The Go-Gos/Bangles (early), especially the former in places on Only in Dreams. I think it's a very logical progression to the more goth stuff, though, especially if you go from her very earliest recordings as DDG.
dave123 wrote:JGJR wrote:dave123 wrote:Finally had a moment to check out the Dum Dum Girls. I really like both versions/eras. I was worried when you mentioned the Pretenders (I am not a fan), but I get the comparison and liked that stuff anyway. The jangly poppier stuff is kind of like a cross between early Bangles and Siouxie and the Banshees. I would recommend it to anyone into the Go-gos or the Bangles (which I am on both accounts). The gothy/new wave stuff is a whole different kettle of fish. Equally as good but a very different vibe. Dark while still maintaining much of the melody. You are right, nothing cliche. I like how they don't smile when playing. Thanks for recommending.
I'm really glad you liked them, but it sounds like you didn't check out the 1st 12" or I Will Be (the debut Lp). Only in Dreams and to a lesser extent "He Gets Me High" are definitely like The Go-Gos/Bangles (early), especially the former in places on Only in Dreams. I think it's a very logical progression to the more goth stuff, though, especially if you go from her very earliest recordings as DDG.
You're right. I haven't had a chance to check out a full LP yet. I just hit up a few songs here and there the other night. When I get a decent amount of time to really listen, I will start at the beginning.
dave123 wrote:I had a moment to check out I Will Be and most of Only in Dreams. I like Only in Dreams a little more. It is definitely more slick. I still liked I Will Be, but it is more raw and not as straight up melodic. Sort of an underlying dark side. I am going to seek out copies for myself, as I can't get super into anything from a Youtube listen.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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