scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Ramones
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
lewdd wrote:Descendents
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
lewdd wrote:Descendents
clash77 wrote:lewdd wrote:Descendents
Traitor..you're on a veggie diet from now on.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
lewdd wrote:clash77 wrote:lewdd wrote:Descendents
Traitor..you're on a veggie diet from now on.
is barley considered a veggie?
i did have some green beans for dinner
clash77 wrote:lewdd wrote:clash77 wrote:lewdd wrote:Descendents
Traitor..you're on a veggie diet from now on.
is barley considered a veggie?
i did have some green beans for dinner
Blahhh..Garlic and butter with green beans??
clash77 wrote:gregpolard wrote:Ramones
Cant argue with that.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
FormerLurker wrote:While the Clash weren't exactly horrible, I find them pretty boring.
Opinions.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Welly wrote:Why does some stuff have to always be better than some other stuff?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:clash77 wrote:gregpolard wrote:Ramones
Cant argue with that.
No Ramones (and Pistols though obviously they are not qualified for this category), no 1st Clash Lp.
Welly wrote:Thing is, The Clash had a major label behind them from the off, which no doubt helped more than anything in launching them onto the world stage, and also, as a result of sales, the studio time for their creativity. What early American punk band had that? Pretty much none.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:JGJR wrote:clash77 wrote:gregpolard wrote:Ramones
Cant argue with that.
No Ramones (and Pistols though obviously they are not qualified for this category), no 1st Clash Lp.
No Elvis, no Beatles, no Rolling Stones.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:All the early NY bands were on majors, though in each case it took a year or two (or more). I mean Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Heartbreakers, Dictators, Television, Dead Boys, et al. But otherwise, you're right.
JGJR wrote:I would argue that some other UK bands probably had similar resources (and remember how awful of a contract The Clash signed and how Strummer didn't record anything for years to try to get out of it until he was finally successful), but The Clash were just an exceptional band.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:All the early NY bands were on majors, though in each case it took a year or two (or more). I mean Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, Heartbreakers, Dictators, Television, Dead Boys, et al. But otherwise, you're right.
Fully aware of the Sire bands. Was referring to them, and probably only the Dickies. Aside from Ramones and Dead Boys, most of the NY bands weren't really of the same beast though.JGJR wrote:I would argue that some other UK bands probably had similar resources (and remember how awful of a contract The Clash signed and how Strummer didn't record anything for years to try to get out of it until he was finally successful), but The Clash were just an exceptional band.
Of course other UK bands had similar resources, but that's not what the thread's about. The UK bands, including the Clash, were arguably all signed by majors and given creative freedom, simply because each label had to have a punk band to hawk in the wake of the Pistols. In the US, this route was really not as available to bands, hence my post.
I would not say that the Clash was an 'exceptional band', when taken in context of the other UK bands of the time. The Jam were easily equal to or even more successful and creative than the Clash. Again, the thread is stacking American bands against the Clash.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:I was gonna mention The Dickies, too. And I love The Jam, but disagree that they were as creative or at least as varied. Is there a more diverse album than Sandinista!? I agree with your main point and was kind of trying to say the same thing.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:I was gonna mention The Dickies, too. And I love The Jam, but disagree that they were as creative or at least as varied. Is there a more diverse album than Sandinista!? I agree with your main point and was kind of trying to say the same thing.
Did I say varied? Nope.
I wrote "The Jam were easily equal to or even more successful AND creative".
And it was just an off the top of my head example, not some sort of Jam versus Clash thesis.
The Clash had a big impact in the States over and above pretty much all other UK bands of that era, no?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:I was gonna mention The Dickies, too. And I love The Jam, but disagree that they were as creative or at least as varied. Is there a more diverse album than Sandinista!? I agree with your main point and was kind of trying to say the same thing.
Did I say varied? Nope.
I wrote "The Jam were easily equal to or even more successful AND creative".
And it was just an off the top of my head example, not some sort of Jam versus Clash thesis.
The Clash had a big impact in the States over and above pretty much all other UK bands of that era, no?
Of the '77 UK bands, yeah for sure unless you're counting Elvis Costello, who connected highly to UK punk only tangentially via label, similar scene, some collaborations, etc. and not necessarily sound.
lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:I was gonna mention The Dickies, too. And I love The Jam, but disagree that they were as creative or at least as varied. Is there a more diverse album than Sandinista!? I agree with your main point and was kind of trying to say the same thing.
Did I say varied? Nope.
I wrote "The Jam were easily equal to or even more successful AND creative".
And it was just an off the top of my head example, not some sort of Jam versus Clash thesis.
The Clash had a big impact in the States over and above pretty much all other UK bands of that era, no?
Of the '77 UK bands, yeah for sure unless you're counting Elvis Costello, who connected highly to UK punk only tangentially via label, similar scene, some collaborations, etc. and not necessarily sound.
Elvis Costello having a great impact of UK punk on the USA. What drugs are you on now young man? I think the Sex Pistols has as much if not more influence on the USA than The Clash. I think the Buzzcocks had a pretty decent impact too.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
tango fistula wrote:The Clash were quite commercial for a "punk" band...
and if you were so inclined
you could say they were a "pop" band
as they were part of the pop hit scene and were played alongside Pat Benatar and Duran Duran
So lets go the edgy guitar pop rock route...leave the punk tag where the Clash left it (1978)
and try to find that U.S. band.
Oops its "Green Day" isn't it?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:. And just look at Billie Joe's vocals. They're way closer to Leonard Phillips or Mike Ness than Joe Strummer.
JGJR wrote:I just meant that Elvis' first record came out in '77, he's from the UK and was lumped in with the punk scene,
JGJR wrote:It all depends on what welly means when he says "big impact in the States."
tango fistula wrote:I'm sayin the Clash were a POP band and were marketed as such...as are Green Day.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:I just meant that Elvis' first record came out in '77, he's from the UK and was lumped in with the punk scene,
Not really.JGJR wrote:It all depends on what welly means when he says "big impact in the States."
I meant "big impact in the States."
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Also, neither of us were there in '77, but you know as well as I do that folks who bought Clash, Pistols, Gen X, Chelsea, et al. records likely bought the early Costello titles and liked them, too. I don't think I'm saying anything too radical there.
lewdd wrote:JGJR wrote:Also, neither of us were there in '77, but you know as well as I do that folks who bought Clash, Pistols, Gen X, Chelsea, et al. records likely bought the early Costello titles and liked them, too. I don't think I'm saying anything too radical there.
No anyone that I knew at the time.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:Frank, also likes metal. I can't wait to meet him when I move back there.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:lewdd wrote:Frank, also likes metal. I can't wait to meet him when I move back there.
And r'n'b. He seems to have diverse taste. I've never met him, FWIW.
JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:I meant "big impact in the States."
If you're gonna continue to be obstinate and vague, I will challenge you here. "Big impact in the States" is so vague. Impact on whom?
JGJR wrote:Also, neither of us were there in '77, but you know as well as I do that folks who bought Clash, Pistols, Gen X, Chelsea, et al. records likely bought the early Costello titles and liked them, too. I don't think I'm saying anything too radical there.
tango fistula wrote:The Clash were quite commercial for a "punk" band...
and if you were so inclined
you could say they were a "pop" band
as they were part of the pop hit scene and were played alongside Pat Benatar and Duran Duran
So lets go the edgy guitar pop rock route...leave the punk tag where the Clash left it (1978)
and try to find that U.S. band.
Oops its "Green Day" isn't it?
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:I meant "big impact in the States."
If you're gonna continue to be obstinate and vague, I will challenge you here. "Big impact in the States" is so vague. Impact on whom?
Er, Bond's Fucking Casino? Shea Fucking Stadium? Vague and obstinate enough for ya?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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