scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Playing with Circle Jerks and Negative Approach here in Philly on 4/9/2022.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
jaybird wrote:Didn't they have some big, dramatic/official retirement announcement like a year ago?
jaybird wrote:Didn't they have some big, dramatic/official retirement announcement like a year ago?
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
SamDBL wrote:jaybird wrote:Didn't they have some big, dramatic/official retirement announcement like a year ago?
I saw Kevin posted a selfie while working at what looked to be an Amazon warehouse. I’m sure after a few months of that, show offers start looking real pretty.
SamDBL wrote:Some joke about George Constanza showing up to work after quitting and pretending it didn’t happen after realizing he needed the job.
SamDBL wrote:I saw Kevin posted a selfie while working at what looked to be an Amazon warehouse. I’m sure after a few months of that, show offers start looking real pretty.
the mean wrote:gregpolard wrote:Playing with Circle Jerks and Negative Approach here in Philly on 4/9/2022.
Is this what broke facebook?
gregpolard wrote:Hal - it looks like it! the email I got from bandsintown is a whole poster of dates and looks like it's all 3 bands except for maybe Canada.
the mean wrote:SamDBL wrote:I saw Kevin posted a selfie while working at what looked to be an Amazon warehouse. I’m sure after a few months of that, show offers start looking real pretty.
I realize that this is just a cheap dig at a good guy, but both Steve and Troy had health problems, which is why they stopped playing.
SamDBL wrote:the mean wrote:SamDBL wrote:I saw Kevin posted a selfie while working at what looked to be an Amazon warehouse. I’m sure after a few months of that, show offers start looking real pretty.
I realize that this is just a cheap dig at a good guy, but both Steve and Troy had health problems, which is why they stopped playing.
You're misreading. Most of us (life long musicians) are in the exact same, unskilled boat. So I'm not making fun of anyone. To your second point, 7 Seconds didn't 'stop playing'. They officially disbanded. Which, as others mentioned, lead me to believe there was more to the decision than just some temporary rough times for band members. I can't tell you how many musicians I know in these mid level bands that don't exactly love the genre of music they play, or the thought of getting on the road for months away from family, or are just burned out. But the alternative of a shitty, low level day job keeps them going. Didn't the guy from jawbreaker say he was looking at dog walking jobs before finally caving to a reunion? Not a dig at all. Just reality. The musicians in bands that can stay retired (ie working a crummy day job while they have a financially lucrative band just sitting there getting offers) are the exceptions, not the norm.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
FlexMyHead wrote:I'd prefer they slip some Ourselves/New Wind stuff over 100% The Crew set list, but all 7 Seconds is good 7 Seconds to me. Glad to support them if they swing by Floriduh. Last time I saw them here was in Orlando at the Backstage and it was mainly their faster stuff, which was so fast it was almost a blur. I think that is what they thought the kids wanted and maybe it was.
Also, I remember giving to a Go Fund Me for Steve's rehab or something that Kevin started for his family or him at some point, so I think it was out there that they had struggles that made it difficult to be a functioning band.
SamDBL wrote:Some joke about George Constanza showing up to work after quitting and pretending it didn’t happen after realizing he needed the job.
FlexMyHead wrote:I'd prefer they slip some Ourselves/New Wind stuff over 100% The Crew set list, but all 7 Seconds is good 7 Seconds to me.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:Their last few albums have some songs that have a tempo in the middle of the early era and the New Wind era. I wouldn't care of they didn't play anything from Praise or Ourselves.
SamDBL wrote:You're misreading. Most of us (life long musicians) are in the exact same, unskilled boat. So I'm not making fun of anyone. To your second point, 7 Seconds didn't 'stop playing'. They officially disbanded. Which, as others mentioned, lead me to believe there was more to the decision than just some temporary rough times for band members. I can't tell you how many musicians I know in these mid level bands that don't exactly love the genre of music they play, or the thought of getting on the road for months away from family, or are just burned out. But the alternative of a shitty, low level day job keeps them going. Didn't the guy from jawbreaker say he was looking at dog walking jobs before finally caving to a reunion? Not a dig at all. Just reality. The musicians in bands that can stay retired (ie working a crummy day job while they have a financially lucrative band just sitting there getting offers) are the exceptions, not the norm.
captain2man wrote:SamDBL wrote:You're misreading. Most of us (life long musicians) are in the exact same, unskilled boat. So I'm not making fun of anyone. To your second point, 7 Seconds didn't 'stop playing'. They officially disbanded. Which, as others mentioned, lead me to believe there was more to the decision than just some temporary rough times for band members. I can't tell you how many musicians I know in these mid level bands that don't exactly love the genre of music they play, or the thought of getting on the road for months away from family, or are just burned out. But the alternative of a shitty, low level day job keeps them going. Didn't the guy from jawbreaker say he was looking at dog walking jobs before finally caving to a reunion? Not a dig at all. Just reality. The musicians in bands that can stay retired (ie working a crummy day job while they have a financially lucrative band just sitting there getting offers) are the exceptions, not the norm.
I would have loved for one of my bands to have become my livelihood. In retrospect, I'm glad that none of my bands was ever able to sustain me for even a year - because - if I had ever found myself in that position - I would have given up my job to do it. I'm sure we all know plenty of people who never "made it" for a life time, but "made it" for a year or so and then probably found themselves in a rough spot. I'm now 25 years into a career where I'll have a nice pension when I retire and all sorts of great benefits - that I probably would have completely thrown away for a brief experience of living the life as a working musician.
I almost wish I hadn't seen that Damned documentary that came out a few years ago. While I'm sure that those guys still derive enjoyment from doing the band - the fact is - they also have no choice. They have been able to sustain a full career through their adult lives by doing that band - but it sounds like they never made quite enough to ever actually retire at some point - and so they're pretty much stuck on the road. This is why I can never fault a guy like Steve Diggle from continuing to do the Buzzcocks. To some fans, they're just a band that should have called it quits when Pete Shelley died. But to Diggle - this is his employment. The guy has to live. I hope he's been smart with the money he's made....but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't enough for him to life the rest of his life out in a comfortable way, taking care of his family, wanting to leave something behind, and had any available options to make as much as he does continuing to do the band.
captain2man wrote:Sam - I hear what you're saying about 7 Seconds, although it's arguable if their breakout was dignified. From Kevin's point of view, it did feel that way. But if you're Steve or Troy - maybe not so much. Troy's health and his wife's passing were made public as were Steve's addictions. This upcoming tour could help bury whatever demons the members of that band may have and put a very nice bow on an incredible career.
Interesting point about musicians perhaps getting stuck playing music they've grown well beyond. Perhaps Kevin, at this stage, would prefer to be a successful troubadour of sorts. But I think another person on this upcoming tour - John Brannon - might be a perfect example of what you're saying. While Kevin did do other things in his musical career, it always was in the background of 7 Seconds who more or less were continuously active going back to 1980.
But here's John Brannon, who put Negative Approach to bed after two years and a discography that takes probably less than 40 minutes to play, and genuinely branches out into very different bands like Laughing Hyenas (who lasted a decade and put out four records) or Easy Action....but in the end, which fans are coming out to help pay the mortgage? The band that broke-up by the time he was 22 or 23 and had like 20 songs.
These guys are pushing 60 if they're not there already, and I guess touring and playing music is better than killing your knees in a warehouse.
captain2man wrote:Sam - I hear what you're saying about 7 Seconds, although it's arguable if their breakout was dignified. From Kevin's point of view, it did feel that way. But if you're Steve or Troy - maybe not so much. Troy's health and his wife's passing were made public as were Steve's addictions. This upcoming tour could help bury whatever demons the members of that band may have and put a very nice bow on an incredible career.
Interesting point about musicians perhaps getting stuck playing music they've grown well beyond. Perhaps Kevin, at this stage, would prefer to be a successful troubadour of sorts. But I think another person on this upcoming tour - John Brannon - might be a perfect example of what you're saying. While Kevin did do other things in his musical career, it always was in the background of 7 Seconds who more or less were continuously active going back to 1980.
But here's John Brannon, who put Negative Approach to bed after two years and a discography that takes probably less than 40 minutes to play, and genuinely branches out into very different bands like Laughing Hyenas (who lasted a decade and put out four records) or Easy Action....but in the end, which fans are coming out to help pay the mortgage? The band that broke-up by the time he was 22 or 23 and had like 20 songs.
These guys are pushing 60 if they're not there already, and I guess touring and playing music is better than killing your knees in a warehouse.
captain2man wrote:See you there Midge.
SamDBL wrote:I think the real problem for so many musicians is that they start these bands at age 15, or whatever… build these fan bases through grass roots… and, if lucky, are able to make it into a sustainable, long term business. However, not everyone *loves* playing or listening to the same kind of music they did at 15. I know this from discussions with members of bands like Obituary and Agnostic Front (just to name a couple). They would love to continue making that living playing music they are more connected to at this stage in life.
garth wrote:[
Was that ‘05? I was there. Think Champion and Briggs also played. Got to make awkward small talk with Kevin prior to the show.
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