drew wrote:I really don’t dig Metallica. Never did. No one believed me(my friends) they thought I was just being a pain in the ass. I don’t get how they essentially became the next Led Zeppelin. I think they suck.
drew wrote:Circle Jerks are very....meh. Peaked early and then became mediocre-mid tempo-blah. Some Cool songs on every album but I wish they would go away and Keith would put it all into OFF!
The constant reissues of Group Sex I just don’t understand. Wild In The Streets is a way better album. What do I know?
version sound wrote:I’ll start. The Doors were a better albums band than The Beatles. Those early Beatles records have too many covers I could do without. Their later records have too many of their own songs I could live without (mostly Paul’s songs that veer into proto-Wings territory). That leaves a sweet spot of Revolver and maybe Help where I really enjoy every song. The Doors, OTOH, I pretty much enjoy all their albums from start to finish, except maybe L.A. Woman, which is certainly my least favorite. As a singles band, The Beatles were pretty flawless, though.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
SamDBL wrote:I definitely like the Doors better than the Beatles. Huge Doors fan. However, I think LA Woman rips.
The Beatles are a band I can no longer trust my judgement on. I like them, fine. I love some of their songs to death. But the fact that I have heard every note infinite times since my birth... as well as the claim that they were the best band to ever exist in the history of the universe by every music critic and passing music fan... I can never tell if my opinion of them as 'ok' is just me being contrarian, or just being completely bored with them as an entity from over exposure.
scannest wrote:Wow, between the "Doors are a better album band than the Beatles" and the "Rap Sux" thread this is a real bummer of a time to be hanging around here. It's like the EXPERIMENTAL, JET SET, TRASH & NO STAR of the Dagboard.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:I definitely like the Doors better than the Beatles. Huge Doors fan. However, I think LA Woman rips.
The Beatles are a band I can no longer trust my judgement on. I like them, fine. I love some of their songs to death. But the fact that I have heard every note infinite times since my birth... as well as the claim that they were the best band to ever exist in the history of the universe by every music critic and passing music fan... I can never tell if my opinion of them as 'ok' is just me being contrarian, or just being completely bored with them as an entity from over exposure.
I'm more or less on the same page, but I trust my judgement because I've pretty much always felt that way about them, even as a little kid... lots of great songs, lots of stupid bullshit too. Mostly prefer the earlier Chuck Berry/50s American Rock n Roll influenced stuff to the later psychedelic studio-creations version of the band, although they did have some good tunes in there as well. But I would take the Stones, Kinks and/or early Who over the Beatles any day of the week.
jaybird wrote:Mostly prefer the earlier Chuck Berry/50s American Rock n Roll influenced stuff to the later psychedelic studio-creations version of the band, although they did have some good tunes in there as well. But I would take the Stones, Kinks and/or early Who over the Beatles any day of the week.
gregpolard wrote:scannest wrote:Wow, between the "Doors are a better album band than the Beatles" and the "Rap Sux" thread this is a real bummer of a time to be hanging around here. It's like the EXPERIMENTAL, JET SET, TRASH & NO STAR of the Dagboard.
FLIP
version sound wrote:I’ll start. The Doors were a better albums band than The Beatles. Those early Beatles records have too many covers I could do without. Their later records have too many of their own songs I could live without (mostly Paul’s songs that veer into proto-Wings territory). That leaves a sweet spot of Revolver and maybe Help where I really enjoy every song. The Doors, OTOH, I pretty much enjoy all their albums from start to finish, except maybe L.A. Woman, which is certainly my least favorite. As a singles band, The Beatles were pretty flawless, though.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
drew wrote:I don’t like SSD. I’ve tried.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:drew wrote:
The first three CJs records are great. The other ones are fine, but nothing stellar. I do prefer WITS to Group Sex, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that it was the first hardcore record I ever heard.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:New Order are much better than Joy Division who are grossly overrated.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:New Order are much better than Joy Division who are grossly overrated.
scannest wrote:jaybird wrote:Mostly prefer the earlier Chuck Berry/50s American Rock n Roll influenced stuff to the later psychedelic studio-creations version of the band, although they did have some good tunes in there as well. But I would take the Stones, Kinks and/or early Who over the Beatles any day of the week.
Your opinion re: the Beatles is not that unusual. Not at all. Kids were debating Beatles vs. Stones in '65 fer chrissakes.
Thinking "Can I be the only one who thinks the Beatles aren't the best rock band ever?" is kinda the equivalent of "Can I be the only one who thinks Star Wars isn't the best movie ever?" It might seem like accepted wisdom, but you don't really have to dig too deep to find contrary opinions.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:New Order are much better than Joy Division who are grossly overrated.
I like Power, Corruption, and Lies as much as anything by Joy Division these days and there are other songs in their catalog I'd put up right next to JD, but I have to disagree.
Is it unpopular to prefer Closer over Unknown Pleasures?
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:New Order are much better than Joy Division who are grossly overrated.
I like Power, Corruption, and Lies as much as anything by Joy Division these days and there are other songs in their catalog I'd put up right next to JD, but I have to disagree.
Is it unpopular to prefer Closer over Unknown Pleasures?
Rule of thumb : If you think it, it's most likely an unpopular opinion.
JGJR wrote:Is it unpopular to prefer Closer over Unknown Pleasures?
drew wrote:The constant reissues of Group Sex I just don’t understand. Wild In The Streets is a way better album. What do I know?
patient_ot wrote:RE: the Doors, I like them just fine but they had their fair share of weaker albums and filler songs like every other band. Matter of fact one of their biggest overplayed hits is just a recycled Kinks riff.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:What song do you mean?
scannest wrote:JGJR wrote:What song do you mean?
Hello, I Love You!
Right?
patient_ot wrote:scannest wrote:JGJR wrote:What song do you mean?
Hello, I Love You!
Right?
Yep.
version sound wrote:I like both songs. The riff might be boosted (ok, no might about it, apparently Morrison copped to it), but overall, I don’t think they sound that much alike. I enjoy both (but honestly probably like the rip off more).
version sound wrote:
https://medium.com/@Rifftime_Music/the-story-behind-the-doors-hello-i-love-you-175441aaede2
Funny, I always thought it was a rip off of “You Really Got Me” for some reason (brain malfunction probably) but apparently it was “All Day And All Of The Night.” I like both songs. The riff might be boosted (ok, no might about it, apparently Morrison copped to it), but overall, I don’t think they sound that much alike. I enjoy both (but honestly probably like the rip off more).
patient_ot wrote:drew wrote:The constant reissues of Group Sex I just don’t understand. Wild In The Streets is a way better album. What do I know?
The reason WITS hasn't been reissued more often is because the original mixdown tapes are lost and have been for decades. It's also never been as popular as Group Sex. The owner of Frontier is smart and always kept stuff constantly in print if it sold well - often on multiple formats. That's why any 80s punk starter kit always included certain things on that label - you could easily buy the albums at any given time. Think about how many other classic punk albums have been OOP for years at a time over the last 3-4 decades.
drew wrote:
Yes, good point. You keep in print what sells. I felt the same way about “The Crew” There are so many records that need to be back in print.
patient_ot wrote:Another reason for WITS going in and out of print also *might* have to do with the fact that three songs, including the title track, are covers. That means royalties have to be paid out for those songs. If the rights holder starts being a PITA, you either don't reissue the album or remove the cover songs for the reissue - which fans will inevitably complain about. Ever wonder why reissues often remove cover songs? I can think of a few examples off the top of my head...Gen X's first album, Neurosis' Word As Law, Swans' Various Failures...many others I'm sure.
lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
“Gimme Some Truth” is the first song on the American version. The (superior) British tracklist never had it. I don’t think it was removed for reissues so much as the reissues follow the UK tracklist.
matt wrote:patient_ot wrote:Another reason for WITS going in and out of print also *might* have to do with the fact that three songs, including the title track, are covers. That means royalties have to be paid out for those songs. If the rights holder starts being a PITA, you either don't reissue the album or remove the cover songs for the reissue - which fans will inevitably complain about. Ever wonder why reissues often remove cover songs? I can think of a few examples off the top of my head...Gen X's first album, Neurosis' Word As Law, Swans' Various Failures...many others I'm sure.
Minutemen's "Double Nickels..." comes to mind. Also, for the Neurosis, it was only the cd that had "Day of the Lords" on it as a bonus track (taken from the Allied 7" they did).
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
“Gimme Some Truth” is the first song on the American version. The (superior) British tracklist never had it. I don’t think it was removed for reissues so much as the reissues follow the UK tracklist.
There was a CD with it in the late 80s. Then a few CDs omitted it, even ones with bonus tracks where there was room for it to be included at the end. There was a deluxe edition in 2019 that had the song, but the wrong version of the track was included, plus the mastering was reportedly bad. Even the 2002 CD I have is bricked, so I'm not even sure what a good CD version would be of this album. They're all either incomplete, have bad mastering, or tape drag issues from what I can tell. For now I typically play the U.S. LP when I want to hear the album, or a needledrop of it.
lewdd wrote:patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
“Gimme Some Truth” is the first song on the American version. The (superior) British tracklist never had it. I don’t think it was removed for reissues so much as the reissues follow the UK tracklist.
There was a CD with it in the late 80s. Then a few CDs omitted it, even ones with bonus tracks where there was room for it to be included at the end. There was a deluxe edition in 2019 that had the song, but the wrong version of the track was included, plus the mastering was reportedly bad. Even the 2002 CD I have is bricked, so I'm not even sure what a good CD version would be of this album. They're all either incomplete, have bad mastering, or tape drag issues from what I can tell. For now I typically play the U.S. LP when I want to hear the album, or a needledrop of it.
I think I have 7 versions of the album on vinyl and CD.
Dinko wrote:Bury those vocals in the mix, do not put it on top. Like Bob does, even if most of the Hoffmanites hate it. They can buy the record and READ the fucking lyrics.
version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
“Gimme Some Truth” is the first song on the American version. The (superior) British tracklist never had it. I don’t think it was removed for reissues so much as the reissues follow the UK tracklist.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:I think I have 7 versions of the album on vinyl and CD.
lewdd wrote:patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:Which song was removed from Gen X 1st album
“Gimme Some Truth” is the first song on the American version. The (superior) British tracklist never had it. I don’t think it was removed for reissues so much as the reissues follow the UK tracklist.
There was a CD with it in the late 80s. Then a few CDs omitted it, even ones with bonus tracks where there was room for it to be included at the end. There was a deluxe edition in 2019 that had the song, but the wrong version of the track was included, plus the mastering was reportedly bad. Even the 2002 CD I have is bricked, so I'm not even sure what a good CD version would be of this album. They're all either incomplete, have bad mastering, or tape drag issues from what I can tell. For now I typically play the U.S. LP when I want to hear the album, or a needledrop of it.
I think I have 7 versions of the album on vinyl and CD.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:I think I have 7 versions of the album on vinyl and CD.
I have 2. Both OG UK vinyl. I feel no need to own the Lennon cover and think the US tracklist sucks compared to the UK. The idea of starting it with a cover (so as not to scare off American boomers with PUNK ROCK right off the bat, I guess) is weak sauce. Lucky for me, I always owned the UK version, as my local record store in the ‘80s carried the import version. I don’t think I even knew the US version was different until the internet.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Dinko wrote:Bury those vocals in the mix, do not put it on top. Like Bob does, even if most of the Hoffmanites hate it. They can buy the record and READ the fucking lyrics.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:I have become so much further into the Stones camp, it's not even funny. The Beatles were always thought of as the 'smart band'. But I think the songwriting team of Jagger/Richards is just as clever, in every sense of the word, as the McCartney/Lennon partnership. On top of that, I think it's way harder to pull off that blues-y, loose approach convincingly than the more straight forward pop centric way bands like the Beatles sing and present their songs. The same reason I flipped to favoring the Replacements over Husker Du years ago. I used to think that slovenly sound was inferior. But I'm totally the opposite, now.
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