version sound wrote:Best record of 2021.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:Best record of 2021.
High praise; I love Pharoah Sanders, but have yet to pick this up; been seeing it a lot in the bins lately and am tempted. Your review puts it near the top of the want list now.
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:Best record of 2021.
High praise; I love Pharoah Sanders, but have yet to pick this up; been seeing it a lot in the bins lately and am tempted. Your review puts it near the top of the want list now.
patient_ot wrote:It's nothing like a regular Sanders record. It's basically a minimal ambient thing with Sanders guesting here and there. It's good, but just be aware there are high percentage of defective copies out there. My own copy was badly warped. Might try another or just get the CD.
version sound wrote:patient_ot wrote:It's nothing like a regular Sanders record. It's basically a minimal ambient thing with Sanders guesting here and there. It's good, but just be aware there are high percentage of defective copies out there. My own copy was badly warped. Might try another or just get the CD.
After reading up on the vinyl, I opted for the CD. The DR seems to be pretty decent, and this is the kind of thing where any surface noise is going to be very annoying.
lewdd wrote:These delays and quality issues with vinyl are going to create a resurgence for CDs for those that want something in physical form.
scannest wrote:Can I use this thread as a chance to talk about how fucked record pressing is right now? I know someone who is working with one of the most respected, longest running vinyl manufacturers in the US. Test pressings came back with a defect. They were told that if the problem was with the stampers, the company should be able to fix that and start the run relatively soon. But if new lacquers are required, the record will likely not be delivered until...2023.
patient_ot wrote:Yeah, I've heard similar things from a number of sources. I would not want to have a record made right now. Too much rushing to clear the backlog which means more defects.
scannest wrote:More food for thought - I suggested that they release CDs/downloads, alongside a pre-sale for the vinyl. They said that it was up to their label, and labels were very reluctant to do this because they make so much more money off vinyl than any other format. Labels are afraid if they make CDs available 6-9 months before they can ship records, people might just choose the CD or download and be done with it. Maybe you just provide an immediate digital download to anyone who pre-orders the vinyl? I dunno what the answer is.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:I slept on this for far too long, but finally listened last night and am obsessed with it now. Holy shit. You weren't kidding, VS. It's one of those immediate "I absolutely love this" feelings that I rarely get. Shivers. I think I'm going to take my chances with a vinyl copy since it seems like the later (more recent) pressings have fewer manufacturing errors/defects, but can always get the CD. I think I want both.
JGJR wrote:I slept on this for far too long, but finally listened last night and am obsessed with it now. Holy shit. You weren't kidding, VS. It's one of those immediate "I absolutely love this" feelings that I rarely get. Shivers. I think I'm going to take my chances with a vinyl copy since it seems like the later (more recent) pressings have fewer manufacturing errors/defects, but can always get the CD. I think I want both.
version sound wrote:
If you pick up the vinyl, please report back. I bought the CD, but I’d still love to have the vinyl if I can get a decent copy. It’s definitely one of those records where any surface noise would be intrusive. Along similar lines, I’m jonesing for a vinyl copy of The Moon and the Melodies, but it’s pretty pricey used, and I wouldn’t want to drop $40 on a “VG+” copy and find that it was over-graded (which is relatively common on Discogs and eBay.
patient_ot wrote:If you want a properly graded vinyl copy of M&M, buy a near mint one from a reputable Japanese seller. It won't be cheap, but you'll get what you paid for. I'm not bothering with vinyl for that album as I doubt it would sound any better than the original CD mastering, which is pretty much perfect.
version sound wrote:
Maybe I’ll just stick with the CD. I have everything else by the Cocteau Twins up to HOLV on vinyl. After that, things get dicey. Originals are crazy expensive, and I’ve only heard bad things about the reissues. I’ve been crazy lucky so far; I bought all of them used, and they are all in shockingly good shape. Some of them look freaking new. #CTblessed
version sound wrote:JGJR wrote:I slept on this for far too long, but finally listened last night and am obsessed with it now. Holy shit. You weren't kidding, VS. It's one of those immediate "I absolutely love this" feelings that I rarely get. Shivers. I think I'm going to take my chances with a vinyl copy since it seems like the later (more recent) pressings have fewer manufacturing errors/defects, but can always get the CD. I think I want both.
I could listen to it on repeat all day.
If you pick up the vinyl, please report back. I bought the CD, but I’d still love to have the vinyl if I can get a decent copy. It’s definitely one of those records where any surface noise would be intrusive. Along similar lines, I’m jonesing for a vinyl copy of The Moon and the Melodies, but it’s pretty pricey used, and I wouldn’t want to drop $40 on a “VG+” copy and find that it was over-graded (which is relatively common on Discogs and eBay.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:
I got a copy yesterday and I'm playing it now. My copy is on black vinyl, doesn't have an insert, and is likely pressed at RTI (though I haven't checked to make sure yet). There is visible warping, likely due to the issue patient_ot wrote about on Discogs, but it doesn't affect playback at all. Thankfully. There is a slight bit of surface noise on the first track, but by and large, it plays through properly.
https://www.discogs.com/release/1812735 ... a-Promises
If I end up picking up the CD, I'll report on that, too, but either way, I think I lucked out. I initially misread the comments. It's actually the recent batch that has had most of these problems, but whatever.
And same here re: listening to it on repeat all day.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:
I got a copy yesterday and I'm playing it now. My copy is on black vinyl, doesn't have an insert, and is likely pressed at RTI (though I haven't checked to make sure yet). There is visible warping, likely due to the issue patient_ot wrote about on Discogs, but it doesn't affect playback at all. Thankfully. There is a slight bit of surface noise on the first track, but by and large, it plays through properly.
https://www.discogs.com/release/1812735 ... a-Promises
If I end up picking up the CD, I'll report on that, too, but either way, I think I lucked out. I initially misread the comments. It's actually the recent batch that has had most of these problems, but whatever.
And same here re: listening to it on repeat all day.
The RTI pressings come with the record in a clear plastic sleeve. The Pallas pressings come in a white, polylined sleeve with no label window. The label used a third plant but I'm not sure who that is or what those pressings look like.
I decided to try another copy of the record. The one I received is a Pallas pressing. I'll put it on shortly and see if it's better than the badly warped RTI copy I have. Generally after I try 3 copies of a title it's time to give up. So I would only try maybe one more after this if I need to.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:
Maybe I’ll just stick with the CD. I have everything else by the Cocteau Twins up to HOLV on vinyl. After that, things get dicey. Originals are crazy expensive, and I’ve only heard bad things about the reissues. I’ve been crazy lucky so far; I bought all of them used, and they are all in shockingly good shape. Some of them look freaking new. #CTblessed
You got lucky there. I rarely see old copies of their records in the wild. When I do, they usually have issues and aren't worth the asking price. One of my favorite bands ever but it's hard to beat the sound on non-remastered CDs.
My issue with the vinyl reissues is that many of them were cheaply done, and some of them were reportedly sourced from the bad digital remasters that Guthrie did (which I dislike). So you basically get a bad remaster cheaply thrown to wax. Common these days actually.
version sound wrote: EDIT: On further investigation, that was a different one (Garlands maybe?). The problem with HOLV is that “Ice Blink Luck” supposedly sounds awful both on the vinyl and the hi-rez version, so it seems to be a tape problem.
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