xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:We've been really enjoying it, but I think Jeff Daniels is head and shoulders the best actor in the whole cast. He's incredible (and often quite funny in a quite serious/dramatic role while retaining the drama aspect.
SamDBL wrote:Dick move by the mom (in car with the married couple) tho. I kinda hope she gets killed, now.
SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
Basically everyone in this show is severely morally compromised... except maybe the cuck Spaniard husband I guess. Like you mentioned earlier, the plot isn't even about "whodunnit" it's more like "how can this ensemble of craven, desperate, shitty people make the situations they are in even worse"?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
Basically everyone in this show is severely morally compromised... except maybe the cuck Spaniard husband I guess. Like you mentioned earlier, the plot isn't even about "whodunnit" it's more like "how can this ensemble of craven, desperate, shitty people make the situations they are in even worse"?
Is the Dag board or 4-chan or 8-chan or something? Sheesh.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
WARNING: some spoilers ahead, so watch it first. I'm somewhere between where you are and where jaybird is on this topic, but I completely agree with the rest of what you wrote. I find Billy to be a more complicated sympathetic character than you do, but it's hard to argue that he's made some extremely poor choices that have also impacted others (most notably Isaac, obviously) who's yet to be mentioned here except in passing).
I also don't blame Lee for getting out, marrying young, etc. Obviously, she's also made mistakes, but watch the sexist tropes, jaybird. No one likes cheating, sure, but I don't think it's so black and white with her. She just shouldn't have come back and I think did it out of obligation and a major sense of guilt.
SamDBL wrote:How is ‘cuck Spaniard husband’ against the ‘rules’? Is calling people from Spain Spaniards now some kind of faux pa?
As far as letting the cheater chick off the hook, I would not go that far at all. It’s just always been part of my fucked up moral code that I hate seeing people needlessly getting their lives blown up by busy bodies with no stake in the game other than vengeance or shcadenfreude.
SamDBL wrote:The dirty cop story line was pretty nuts.
jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:The dirty cop story line was pretty nuts.
Jeff Daniels' character might be the most pathetic in the whole series... drug-addled cop who keeps using the authority and power of his position to avoid taking responsibility for his actions, and is also too much of a coward to face the inevitable consequences and implications of his actions. You can't help feeling sympathetic toward him because of his whole 'aw-shucks' ordinary Joe demeanor, but if you just look at his actions, he continually chooses to do the most self-serving route.
SamDBL wrote:How is ‘cuck Spaniard husband’ against the ‘rules’? Is calling people from Spain Spaniards now some kind of faux pa?
As far as letting the cheater chick off the hook, I would not go that far at all. It’s just always been part of my fucked up moral code that I hate seeing people needlessly getting their lives blown up by busy bodies with no stake in the game other than vengeance or shcadenfreude.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
Basically everyone in this show is severely morally compromised... except maybe the cuck Spaniard husband I guess. Like you mentioned earlier, the plot isn't even about "whodunnit" it's more like "how can this ensemble of craven, desperate, shitty people make the situations they are in even worse"?
Is the Dag board or 4-chan or 8-chan or something? Sheesh.
It's a joke, relax, jfc.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:I guess. I find her son/main character a completely unsympathetic dumbass sack of shit. And all of this, including his current station in life and this murder debacle, is his fault. And the mom, because she was in a shitty mood about her shitty son finally getting his just reward, figured 'im gonna ruin this bitch's life, too' on a whim just to make her as miserable and hopeless as everyone else in the town. Like, I don't think she did it out of respect for the Spaniard.
Also, I just think people should mind they own God damn business when it comes to adultery.
WARNING: some spoilers ahead, so watch it first. I'm somewhere between where you are and where jaybird is on this topic, but I completely agree with the rest of what you wrote. I find Billy to be a more complicated sympathetic character than you do, but it's hard to argue that he's made some extremely poor choices that have also impacted others (most notably Isaac, obviously) who's yet to be mentioned here except in passing).
I also don't blame Lee for getting out, marrying young, etc. Obviously, she's also made mistakes, but watch the sexist tropes, jaybird. No one likes cheating, sure, but I don't think it's so black and white with her. She just shouldn't have come back and I think did it out of obligation and a major sense of guilt.
jaybird wrote:I kinda liked that she straight up roasted that cheating whore in front of her husband.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:Hey, as long as you have the same charitable inclination towards men when they cheat, cool. As it stands in these dramas… at least in the last couple decades… the cheating man character is painted as a selfish, manipulative, sociopath. Whereas the cheating females in so many of these stories (including this one) are viewed as complicated, or somewhat sympathetic. A forbidden, yet romantic tryst motivated by abuse or neglect, or some such. First example I can think of off the top of my head is the Titanic. Anyway, I digress.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:Hey, as long as you have the same charitable inclination towards men when they cheat, cool. As it stands in these dramas… at least in the last couple decades… the cheating man character is painted as a selfish, manipulative, sociopath. Whereas the cheating females in so many of these stories (including this one) are viewed as complicated, or somewhat sympathetic. A forbidden, yet romantic tryst motivated by abuse or neglect, or some such. First example I can think of off the top of my head is the Titanic. Anyway, I digress.
I wouldn't characterize it so much as charitable or even sympathetic (I think it's icky) and I don't really make a distinction and wasn't thinking about the differences in how this type of behavior is treated in Hollywood movies and TV shows over the past few decades or whatever. I expressed the same non-judgmental type of attitude towards Lee's cheating, so I thought you meant it that way, too.
People cheat for all sorts of reasons far too long to go into here.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:Hey, as long as you have the same charitable inclination towards men when they cheat, cool. As it stands in these dramas… at least in the last couple decades… the cheating man character is painted as a selfish, manipulative, sociopath. Whereas the cheating females in so many of these stories (including this one) are viewed as complicated, or somewhat sympathetic. A forbidden, yet romantic tryst motivated by abuse or neglect, or some such. First example I can think of off the top of my head is the Titanic. Anyway, I digress.
I wouldn't characterize it so much as charitable or even sympathetic (I think it's icky) and I don't really make a distinction and wasn't thinking about the differences in how this type of behavior is treated in Hollywood movies and TV shows over the past few decades or whatever. I expressed the same non-judgmental type of attitude towards Lee's cheating, so I thought you meant it that way, too.
People cheat for all sorts of reasons far too long to go into here.
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